Comments on: The Revolution will be televised, over and over: Repetition in Utena http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/ You're only as old as you feel. damn... Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:50:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hirobot http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-13474 Hirobot Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:28:55 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-13474 Excellent, excellent post! Thanks for taking the time to write it! Excellent, excellent post! Thanks for taking the time to write it!

]]> By: ghostlightning http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-13103 ghostlightning Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:23:48 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-13103 And the slight variation in the '2nd' part of the duel music. 'Apocalypse' plays the same, but the actual duel has a very similar but different song (lyrics, some arrangement). And the slight variation in the ’2nd’ part of the duel music. ‘Apocalypse’ plays the same, but the actual duel has a very similar but different song (lyrics, some arrangement).

]]> By: otou-san http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12974 otou-san Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:05:56 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12974 It's actually one of the requirements for a canon (as in <strike>Taco Bell's</strike> Pachelbel's). There is an initial theme, and then repeating versions of it that build in complexity or variation. Actually, in <em>Kanon</em> the anime/visual novel, the structure of the story was sort of meta-compared to that musical structure. In that case, the protagonist gained a little bit of his lost memory with each "contrapuntal derivation;" in <em>Utena</em> it's the machinations of Dios that reveal themselves slightly more every time. It’s actually one of the requirements for a canon (as in Taco Bell’s Pachelbel’s). There is an initial theme, and then repeating versions of it that build in complexity or variation. Actually, in Kanon the anime/visual novel, the structure of the story was sort of meta-compared to that musical structure. In that case, the protagonist gained a little bit of his lost memory with each “contrapuntal derivation;” in Utena it’s the machinations of Dios that reveal themselves slightly more every time.

]]> By: otou-san http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12973 otou-san Fri, 13 Nov 2009 05:01:33 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12973 Sailor Moon would be quite interesting with this kind of stuff, that's for sure. I'd like to think it would go that way too, although maybe not 3 whole minutes or so of recycled footage every episode, and perhaps the killing blows would be animated instead of covered with a spinning rose. Sailor Moon would be quite interesting with this kind of stuff, that’s for sure. I’d like to think it would go that way too, although maybe not 3 whole minutes or so of recycled footage every episode, and perhaps the killing blows would be animated instead of covered with a spinning rose.

]]> By: otou-san http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12972 otou-san Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:59:58 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12972 I suppose it is a bit <strike>monster</strike> duelist of the week. And it is indeed fabulous... I suppose it is a bit monster duelist of the week. And it is indeed fabulous…

]]> By: otou-san http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12971 otou-san Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:59:13 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12971 <blockquote>It’s the form that’s recycled, not really the (important) content</blockquote> Pretty much what I'm trying to say. But yeah, as cool as that move looked the first time, it would be even cooler if you didn't have to look at it every time.

It’s the form that’s recycled, not really the (important) content

Pretty much what I’m trying to say. But yeah, as cool as that move looked the first time, it would be even cooler if you didn’t have to look at it every time.

]]> By: otou-san http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12970 otou-san Fri, 13 Nov 2009 04:58:00 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12970 True, they never seem to take a very "religious" stance on religious matters (see ghostlightning's haruhi post...) The next arc is a little crazy so far, although the drum machine version of "Absolute Destiny Apocalypse" it uses is clearly inferior. True, they never seem to take a very “religious” stance on religious matters (see ghostlightning’s haruhi post…)

The next arc is a little crazy so far, although the drum machine version of “Absolute Destiny Apocalypse” it uses is clearly inferior.

]]> By: ghostlightning http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12921 ghostlightning Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:57:37 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12921 Great post. I done did learned me something. While no music expert by no stretch of the imagination, classical pieces are variations of a theme: a musical line played over and over involving different instruments in different harmonies. Many of the notes are exactly the same, some are in different octaves, but many remain the same. Take Beethoven's 7th, 1st movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptYQLXD8E6g (I reiterate, I'm not even a longtime fan of classical music, but this piece is the OP and main theme of <i>Nodame Cantabile</i> live action. Watch it!) Great post. I done did learned me something.

While no music expert by no stretch of the imagination, classical pieces are variations of a theme: a musical line played over and over involving different instruments in different harmonies. Many of the notes are exactly the same, some are in different octaves, but many remain the same.

Take Beethoven’s 7th, 1st movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptYQLXD8E6g

(I reiterate, I’m not even a longtime fan of classical music, but this piece is the OP and main theme of Nodame Cantabile live action. Watch it!)

]]> By: OGT http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12908 OGT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:38:20 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12908 The repetition really works in Utena's favor, I think, especially since it is so ritualistic. I want to say that Ikuhara would have done it even if it weren't for the fact that he was doing it on a shoestring budget after ditching Toei because they wouldn't let him mess much with Sailor Moon (Utena became the holding tank for a lot of what he wanted to do with Sailor Moon, and then threw more stuff on top of it). You have fun with the later arcs. I keep saying it but it's true. The repetition really works in Utena’s favor, I think, especially since it is so ritualistic. I want to say that Ikuhara would have done it even if it weren’t for the fact that he was doing it on a shoestring budget after ditching Toei because they wouldn’t let him mess much with Sailor Moon (Utena became the holding tank for a lot of what he wanted to do with Sailor Moon, and then threw more stuff on top of it).

You have fun with the later arcs. I keep saying it but it’s true.

]]> By: schneider http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/11/10/the-revolution-will-be-televised-over-and-over-repetition-in-utena/comment-page-1/#comment-12903 schneider Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:05:26 +0000 http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/?p=1903#comment-12903 Utena is largely similar to old robot shows in structure, except with fabulous teens instead of kids with their robots. I like it a lot. Enjoy the next arcs! Utena is largely similar to old robot shows in structure, except with fabulous teens instead of kids with their robots. I like it a lot. Enjoy the next arcs!

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