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	<title>Comments on: Learning to let go from Honey &amp; Clover</title>
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	<description>You're only as old as you feel. damn...</description>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/08/08/learning-to-let-go-from-honey-clover/comment-page-1/#comment-9960</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to art school as well so it probably contributed to my enjoyment and ability to identify. But I agree all the way — it has something to show us and proves that a good story can really help us in real life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to art school as well so it probably contributed to my enjoyment and ability to identify. But I agree all the way — it has something to show us and proves that a good story can really help us in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/08/08/learning-to-let-go-from-honey-clover/comment-page-1/#comment-9959</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it provides aspirations for the young viewers, realization for those at the similar age demographic, and nostalgia for the older audience.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Absolutely. But of the two things you mentioned, focusing on a late-college/grad school timeframe is less important than &lt;em&gt;doing it well&lt;/em&gt;, which is really what gives the viewers those aspirations/realizations/nostalgias.

I&#039;m envious of your bike trip, I hope I get to do something akin to that, even in my home country, at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it provides aspirations for the young viewers, realization for those at the similar age demographic, and nostalgia for the older audience.</p></blockquote>
<p>Absolutely. But of the two things you mentioned, focusing on a late-college/grad school timeframe is less important than <em>doing it well</em>, which is really what gives the viewers those aspirations/realizations/nostalgias.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m envious of your bike trip, I hope I get to do something akin to that, even in my home country, at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/08/08/learning-to-let-go-from-honey-clover/comment-page-1/#comment-9958</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If in fact the characters ended up in a fire, so to speak, I think their experiences have made them more equipped to deal with that. If they could extricate themselves from what you call the web of pain, they’re more prepared for what comes next.

I think most folks identify with Takemoto, and though supporting characters are given a better treatment than in most stories, in the end they all mirror some aspect of Takemoto’s character. Ghostlightning might feel like Shuu-chan, but Shuu is just the logical conclusion of where Takemoto would be had he not made some of the decisions that defined the latter part of the series.

That gives Takemoto a somewhat universal quality, and probably contributes hugely to what you’re saying about all kinds of folks identifying with H&amp;C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If in fact the characters ended up in a fire, so to speak, I think their experiences have made them more equipped to deal with that. If they could extricate themselves from what you call the web of pain, they’re more prepared for what comes next.</p>
<p>I think most folks identify with Takemoto, and though supporting characters are given a better treatment than in most stories, in the end they all mirror some aspect of Takemoto’s character. Ghostlightning might feel like Shuu-chan, but Shuu is just the logical conclusion of where Takemoto would be had he not made some of the decisions that defined the latter part of the series.</p>
<p>That gives Takemoto a somewhat universal quality, and probably contributes hugely to what you’re saying about all kinds of folks identifying with H&#038;C.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/08/08/learning-to-let-go-from-honey-clover/comment-page-1/#comment-9957</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s tempting to see and relish in the pain in everything as well, no? It’s funny, it speaks a lot to where people are in life and how they stand in their relationship with art. At times, I see the damnation in everything, but this time around I went straight for the hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s tempting to see and relish in the pain in everything as well, no? It’s funny, it speaks a lot to where people are in life and how they stand in their relationship with art. At times, I see the damnation in everything, but this time around I went straight for the hope.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/08/08/learning-to-let-go-from-honey-clover/comment-page-1/#comment-9956</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I resoundingly agree with all that. That mirror that H&amp;C holds up to you defies the standard concept of anime as escapism (which, for those who know what I’m talking about, might actually be part of what Zaitcev meant when he asked “what is anime about this anime”).

yes on Takemoto as well. His journey through the series is a greater slice of character growth than you’re usually treated to, and it happens fairly naturally. Anime usually hits you with a single, giant, melodramatic bombshell that causes characters to “level up” quite quickly, but he did it like the bike ride: one bit at a time.

As to whether you’ll see anything that good again, well, we can hope can’t we? At the very least, Maybe Umino will top her own work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I resoundingly agree with all that. That mirror that H&#038;C holds up to you defies the standard concept of anime as escapism (which, for those who know what I’m talking about, might actually be part of what Zaitcev meant when he asked “what is anime about this anime”).</p>
<p>yes on Takemoto as well. His journey through the series is a greater slice of character growth than you’re usually treated to, and it happens fairly naturally. Anime usually hits you with a single, giant, melodramatic bombshell that causes characters to “level up” quite quickly, but he did it like the bike ride: one bit at a time.</p>
<p>As to whether you’ll see anything that good again, well, we can hope can’t we? At the very least, Maybe Umino will top her own work.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/08/08/learning-to-let-go-from-honey-clover/comment-page-1/#comment-9955</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a ton for the comment. It was kind of a hard one to write, I don’t usually throw a lot of personal feelings in, and though I don’t have many anecdotes or specifics it still bared a little more than I normally want to. So I’m glad that someone shares my opinion/feelings. I think more than most, H&amp;C is an anime built for people closer to our age (I’m a year younger than you). I’m glad I didn’t watch it too early on in my fandom, it would really have cast nearly everything else in a much more pitiful light.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a ton for the comment. It was kind of a hard one to write, I don’t usually throw a lot of personal feelings in, and though I don’t have many anecdotes or specifics it still bared a little more than I normally want to. So I’m glad that someone shares my opinion/feelings. I think more than most, H&#038;C is an anime built for people closer to our age (I’m a year younger than you). I’m glad I didn’t watch it too early on in my fandom, it would really have cast nearly everything else in a much more pitiful light.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/08/08/learning-to-let-go-from-honey-clover/comment-page-1/#comment-9954</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about Shuu, to me, is that he’s Takemoto (from before the ending) gone unchecked, unevolved. Because Takemoto didn’t have it either. He had execution, but not ideas or real talent. I kept thinking that Takemoto was going to look at him one day and say OH SHIT. But he found his own way to move forward.

I can’t help but feel you’re looking at a glass half-empty view of the series, which is fair — like I said, there are many points to it and that can create a very different perspective for different people. All of your subjective statements are true, but at the same time, isn’t the end result a little more positive than just delicious pain? (Although there is certainly lots of it). After all, that’s the name: bittersweet. To me, the sweet delicious pain coming from the same type of feelings is 5cm Per Second; H&amp;C has more time to work but covers a much more full and “real” spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about Shuu, to me, is that he’s Takemoto (from before the ending) gone unchecked, unevolved. Because Takemoto didn’t have it either. He had execution, but not ideas or real talent. I kept thinking that Takemoto was going to look at him one day and say OH SHIT. But he found his own way to move forward.</p>
<p>I can’t help but feel you’re looking at a glass half-empty view of the series, which is fair — like I said, there are many points to it and that can create a very different perspective for different people. All of your subjective statements are true, but at the same time, isn’t the end result a little more positive than just delicious pain? (Although there is certainly lots of it). After all, that’s the name: bittersweet. To me, the sweet delicious pain coming from the same type of feelings is 5cm Per Second; H&#038;C has more time to work but covers a much more full and “real” spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 01:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aw you&#039;ll make me blush. But &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; write — as Jen says (see trackback), let a whole new circle jerk begin.

&lt;blockquote&gt; That’s brilliance for you–something that you can revisit which now has a deeper level of significance.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That point is something I suspect, but hope to actually validate myself someday by rewatching. There&#039;s no way I&#039;ll be able to do it soon, but it&#039;s the first series I&#039;ve seen in a very long time that made me want to see it again, to pull all sorts of new insight from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aw you&#8217;ll make me blush. But <em>do</em> write — as Jen says (see trackback), let a whole new circle jerk begin.</p>
<blockquote><p> That’s brilliance for you–something that you can revisit which now has a deeper level of significance.</p></blockquote>
<p>That point is something I suspect, but hope to actually validate myself someday by rewatching. There&#8217;s no way I&#8217;ll be able to do it soon, but it&#8217;s the first series I&#8217;ve seen in a very long time that made me want to see it again, to pull all sorts of new insight from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Mauritius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren Mauritius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cried watching this series especially the ending. The characters were very real! 

So much of it matched my life back when I first saw it: I was studying in an art college, struggling with paying the fees, part time work, don&#039;t know who I wanted to be and not to mention, the endless drama.

I&#039;m glad that I watched Honey and Clover. It lifted my spirit to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cried watching this series especially the ending. The characters were very real! </p>
<p>So much of it matched my life back when I first saw it: I was studying in an art college, struggling with paying the fees, part time work, don&#8217;t know who I wanted to be and not to mention, the endless drama.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that I watched Honey and Clover. It lifted my spirit to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Does Letting go mean deciding to be happy by yourself? &#171; Babble Bam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does Letting go mean deciding to be happy by yourself? &#171; Babble Bam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Otou-san wrote about the things that each character has to learn or has learned to let go of.  He asked whether there is one among the characters that his readers identified with.  This made me think back and immediately.  There&#8217;s this little tug in one&#8217;s heart for realizing that whatever it was, it still lives deep in the recesses of the core. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Otou-san wrote about the things that each character has to learn or has learned to let go of.  He asked whether there is one among the characters that his readers identified with.  This made me think back and immediately.  There&#8217;s this little tug in one&#8217;s heart for realizing that whatever it was, it still lives deep in the recesses of the core. [...]</p>
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