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	<title>Comments on: Why Shinbo (was: Wherefore shafting)?</title>
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		<title>By: A Day Without Me</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2009/07/20/why-shinbo-was-wherefore-shafting/comment-page-1/#comment-7834</link>
		<dc:creator>A Day Without Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a removed sort of way I like Shinbo - I find his visual work to be fairly entrancing. However, I feel like much of his shows and shows with which he is affiliated suffer from a degree of unwatchability - yes, your visuals are extremely eye-catching, but you sort of forgot the human element, e.g. the plot and characters. It seems like these tend to get sacrificed to the art and symbolism, leaving us with something that is interesting to look at, but not exactly engaging to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a removed sort of way I like Shinbo &#8211; I find his visual work to be fairly entrancing. However, I feel like much of his shows and shows with which he is affiliated suffer from a degree of unwatchability &#8211; yes, your visuals are extremely eye-catching, but you sort of forgot the human element, e.g. the plot and characters. It seems like these tend to get sacrificed to the art and symbolism, leaving us with something that is interesting to look at, but not exactly engaging to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Hobojoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hobojoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like him.
He&#039;s good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like him.<br />
He&#8217;s good.</p>
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		<title>By: The Fin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Fin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part of the Shinbo experience is definitely the subliminal flashes of text that you have to stop and rewind to read. It&#039;s an annoying process and not always rewarding, but when it does pay off you feel like you worked for it. As for what you missed, all I can think of is the odd animation quirk you see in several of his shows of having an object move while the pattern on it remains still.

Honestly though there isn&#039;t a single trademark that sets Shinbo apart, as you said, it&#039;s the sum of all the details he layers into each episodes, the references and metahumor and the constant waves of text blipping by (the OPs and EDs of his shows are also almost always very well-made and tend to change throughout the show&#039;s run, although I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s a Shinbo thing or a SHAFT one). The overall effect is to make anime that really engages a viewer. Most shows you skip the OP and ED after the first couple episodes, leaving you a little less than 20 minutes, which you watch straight through. With Shinbo it&#039;s often well worth watching the OP and ED (and there are often scenes set directly before or after them so it&#039;s dangerous to skip), and you might have to pause and frame jog your way back and forth to read a bit of text that only appears for one or two frames several times in any given episode. It&#039;s a longer process, but I think it makes the experience richer, in a nerdy way.

Bakemonogatari is obviously especially exciting because it&#039;s got pretty witty writing to start with and pains have been taken to make the animation total eyecandy. It doesn&#039;t even seem fair to compare the show to more mainstream anime in terms of color and light/shadow, I don&#039;t even think characters in shounen shows even have visible shadows half the time. Bakemono (and to some extent Zan Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei) is the only show this season I&#039;m really looking forward to every single week.

As for Shinbo&#039;s style overpowering a show, the only time I&#039;ve really felt that was an issue was, like you mentioned, Negima!?, where it seemed like the original work had just been rejected outright. To be fair the first Negima anime did the same thing, Ken Akamatsu&#039;s series isn&#039;t exactly deep but it&#039;s very, very broad, and for a high school harem show it would take a lot of action and huge backgrounds to animate it with complete loyalty. Introducing the weird little monster things and turning the main character into a Chupacabra felt like Shinbo saying &#039;fuck it&#039;, by halfway in the show was just falling apart. Can&#039;t win em all.

I was thinking about writing about Shinbo in the near future myself, it&#039;s gratifying to see that I&#039;m not the only one in love with his crazy style. It kills me how many people out there complain about having to invest the slightest thought in their anime and object to his work because they might have to, gasp, read something or go back and rewatch a part that went by too quickly. If there were more directors like Shinbo in anime the genre might not have such a shitty reputation for being mindless and unoriginal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part of the Shinbo experience is definitely the subliminal flashes of text that you have to stop and rewind to read. It&#8217;s an annoying process and not always rewarding, but when it does pay off you feel like you worked for it. As for what you missed, all I can think of is the odd animation quirk you see in several of his shows of having an object move while the pattern on it remains still.</p>
<p>Honestly though there isn&#8217;t a single trademark that sets Shinbo apart, as you said, it&#8217;s the sum of all the details he layers into each episodes, the references and metahumor and the constant waves of text blipping by (the OPs and EDs of his shows are also almost always very well-made and tend to change throughout the show&#8217;s run, although I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s a Shinbo thing or a SHAFT one). The overall effect is to make anime that really engages a viewer. Most shows you skip the OP and ED after the first couple episodes, leaving you a little less than 20 minutes, which you watch straight through. With Shinbo it&#8217;s often well worth watching the OP and ED (and there are often scenes set directly before or after them so it&#8217;s dangerous to skip), and you might have to pause and frame jog your way back and forth to read a bit of text that only appears for one or two frames several times in any given episode. It&#8217;s a longer process, but I think it makes the experience richer, in a nerdy way.</p>
<p>Bakemonogatari is obviously especially exciting because it&#8217;s got pretty witty writing to start with and pains have been taken to make the animation total eyecandy. It doesn&#8217;t even seem fair to compare the show to more mainstream anime in terms of color and light/shadow, I don&#8217;t even think characters in shounen shows even have visible shadows half the time. Bakemono (and to some extent Zan Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei) is the only show this season I&#8217;m really looking forward to every single week.</p>
<p>As for Shinbo&#8217;s style overpowering a show, the only time I&#8217;ve really felt that was an issue was, like you mentioned, Negima!?, where it seemed like the original work had just been rejected outright. To be fair the first Negima anime did the same thing, Ken Akamatsu&#8217;s series isn&#8217;t exactly deep but it&#8217;s very, very broad, and for a high school harem show it would take a lot of action and huge backgrounds to animate it with complete loyalty. Introducing the weird little monster things and turning the main character into a Chupacabra felt like Shinbo saying &#8216;fuck it&#8217;, by halfway in the show was just falling apart. Can&#8217;t win em all.</p>
<p>I was thinking about writing about Shinbo in the near future myself, it&#8217;s gratifying to see that I&#8217;m not the only one in love with his crazy style. It kills me how many people out there complain about having to invest the slightest thought in their anime and object to his work because they might have to, gasp, read something or go back and rewatch a part that went by too quickly. If there were more directors like Shinbo in anime the genre might not have such a shitty reputation for being mindless and unoriginal.</p>
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		<title>By: Kabitzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kabitzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I find Shaft shows to be rather tiring to watch, and I think it has to do with the wordiness.  I wonder if I was a native speaker of Japanese if it&#039;d be better, but sometimes there is so much going on superfluously that it overwhelms the main action.  With that said, I do like they push the boundaries even if it is a bit hit or miss with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I find Shaft shows to be rather tiring to watch, and I think it has to do with the wordiness.  I wonder if I was a native speaker of Japanese if it&#8217;d be better, but sometimes there is so much going on superfluously that it overwhelms the main action.  With that said, I do like they push the boundaries even if it is a bit hit or miss with me.</p>
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		<title>By: TheBigN</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheBigN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Either way the extreme form is really distracting. &quot;

I&#039;m starting to find that I think that&#039;s where &quot;SHAFT being SHAFT&quot; bugs people in a &quot;why does it have to be like that?!?&quot; sort of way, or in the &quot;he&#039;s doing more than necessary&quot; sort of way, or in the &quot;this is not what I want to see in my anime&quot; sort of way. I like the extreme form because I feel like it&#039;s done to make the audience more involved in the show rather than to sit back and have everything wash over them. But that&#039;s part of why I like him. His cinematography and use of montage notwithstanding. 

I&#039;m always surprised no-one ever mentions the use of colors in Shinbo&#039;s works, as the combinations and shifts between them can be pretty striking, and I think is also part of a signature of his work. 

&quot;I might have to begin to believe that I’m the only one watching Bakemonogatari for Akio Watanabe?&quot; 
I&#039;m watching the show for both, among other things, especially because the last time I remember such a marriage between the two was in &lt;I&gt;SoulTaker&lt;/I&gt;, and I greatly enjoyed that. :3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Either way the extreme form is really distracting. &#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to find that I think that&#8217;s where &#8220;SHAFT being SHAFT&#8221; bugs people in a &#8220;why does it have to be like that?!?&#8221; sort of way, or in the &#8220;he&#8217;s doing more than necessary&#8221; sort of way, or in the &#8220;this is not what I want to see in my anime&#8221; sort of way. I like the extreme form because I feel like it&#8217;s done to make the audience more involved in the show rather than to sit back and have everything wash over them. But that&#8217;s part of why I like him. His cinematography and use of montage notwithstanding. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m always surprised no-one ever mentions the use of colors in Shinbo&#8217;s works, as the combinations and shifts between them can be pretty striking, and I think is also part of a signature of his work. </p>
<p>&#8220;I might have to begin to believe that I’m the only one watching Bakemonogatari for Akio Watanabe?&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m watching the show for both, among other things, especially because the last time I remember such a marriage between the two was in <i>SoulTaker</i>, and I greatly enjoyed that. :3</p>
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		<title>By: sadakups</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadakups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got introduced to Shinbo madness in Negima!? and I found it rather annoying. But when I saw the style in ef - a tale of memories, I found it really good. Same goes for Bakemonogatari. It surprising fits.

It&#039;s an acquired taste, basically. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got introduced to Shinbo madness in Negima!? and I found it rather annoying. But when I saw the style in ef &#8211; a tale of memories, I found it really good. Same goes for Bakemonogatari. It surprising fits.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an acquired taste, basically. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: jiv</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... Maybe most people are watching Bakemonogatari for Shinbo/Shaft, but I think there&#039;s also a lot of people (like me) that are watching this because it&#039;s an adaptation of a Nisioisin book... Zaregoto 2 fucking where, Del Rey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; Maybe most people are watching Bakemonogatari for Shinbo/Shaft, but I think there&#8217;s also a lot of people (like me) that are watching this because it&#8217;s an adaptation of a Nisioisin book&#8230; Zaregoto 2 fucking where, Del Rey?</p>
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		<title>By: omo</title>
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		<dc:creator>omo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might have to begin to believe that I&#039;m the only one watching Bakemonogatari for Akio Watanabe? The man has a huge role in this show :v</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might have to begin to believe that I&#8217;m the only one watching Bakemonogatari for Akio Watanabe? The man has a huge role in this show :v</p>
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		<title>By: jiv</title>
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		<dc:creator>jiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@otou-san
Yup, that Akamatsu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@otou-san<br />
Yup, that Akamatsu.</p>
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		<title>By: IKnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>IKnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be one of the few people in the middle, because I think Shinbo passes me by. I liked &lt;em&gt;Soul Taker&lt;/em&gt; because it had fighting and shouting, and I disliked what I saw of &lt;em&gt;SZS&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;PPD&lt;/em&gt; because they didn&#039;t make me laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be one of the few people in the middle, because I think Shinbo passes me by. I liked <em>Soul Taker</em> because it had fighting and shouting, and I disliked what I saw of <em>SZS</em> and <em>PPD</em> because they didn&#8217;t make me laugh.</p>
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