Or InuYasha, I love it I do, it was the first show that really got me back into anime after my university hiatus.

But I swear to god there were times I wanted to kaze no kizu Rumiko Takahashi’s ass the next time Tessaiga got a fracking upgrade.

Then there was all the damn episode filler. Shippo he’s cute at first, but there are only so many episodes based on him you can take.

After a while, you find yourself wishing InuYasha would lose himself to his demonic side and rip the annoying little fox to shreds.

As for imperfections, in the Macross world there are many, but on the whole there is more to love

You are, I think. All I really mean to say is, finding flaws (or having flaws shoved down my throat) can wreck my suspension of disbelief (much like everyone else), and when I watch something, I literally suspend all disbelief–and part of that disbelief, for me, are the flaws.

The burden of suspension of disbelief is on the show, not me. To a degree there is inherent suspension of disbelief you have to bring to the table with anime, but that’s easy because it’s animated. Beyond that, if a flaw rears its head and breaks my belief threshold, I don’t blame myself for pointing out that flaw. That would mean any time a show failed at something, it would be your fault. That’s overly cruel to yourself when let’s face it, there are bad movies and bad anime out there.

That may also be the attitude whose side-effect is making you “feel like an idiot for not liking Macross Plus.” You don’t like it. That’s fine. It’s also fine if you don’t enjoy talking about why.

It doesn’t make me less curious to know why, but that’s the heart of the the thing. I don’t think it’s weird to talk about the downside, I personally want to hear why people dislike some things so I can (try to) convince them otherwise.

My ratings on MAL are given not by how perfect the series is, but how little I care about how imperfect it is.

My ratings on MAL are completely arbitrary at the time. I hate numerical ratings, but that’s another conversation altogether.

Sheesh, I don’t bother with those guys. They don’t even do proper fact-checking when they attempt to troll/dismiss me in my posts.

All is well. I’ve felt like that for a long time re Gundam. Like IKnight said, there’s no obligation to like everything. And differences, even if just a matter of a few split hairs can make for good discussion too.

No, he isn’t; others, however, do (*coughcolonydropcough*) and at any rate whenever I read the pointing out of HUGE, HORRIBLE FLAWS of something I inevitably feel like an idiot for daring to like such a poorly-constructed and executed piece of trite garbage. I guess I just don’t get the point of dwelling on the negative aspects of a work of creativity; if I have to explain to you (or otou-san) why I don’t like, say, Macross Plus, it’s more mentally taxing than explaining to same why I like Macross 7, in part because I feel more like an idiot for not liking Plus than for liking 7. But then I feel like an idiot for not liking everything on the planet even though I know this is an inherently impossible thing.

@ otou-san

re your quote: WEALTH AND TRIUMPH FOR THE WINNER!

@ OGT

I don’t get the impression that otou-san is fault-finding, much less shoving down those findings down our throats. These things are found after critical reflection, they aren’t statements made in haste or just for the sake of making them.

Again, there’s a love fest of a post re Macross that’s forthcoming. I also have Mechafetish, who is as retarded as I am about Macross, just less histrionic about it. He posted this early on, On the Hidden Fail of Macross Sequels. It’s all part of love! The real opposite, is indifference and silence.

I hope somewhere in that statement I’m actually wrong.

You are, I think. All I really mean to say is, finding flaws (or having flaws shoved down my throat) can wreck my suspension of disbelief (much like everyone else), and when I watch something, I literally suspend all disbelief–and part of that disbelief, for me, are the flaws.

My ratings on MAL are given not by how perfect the series is, but how little I care about how imperfect it is. And I would much rather like than dislike.

But, then again, I’m also crazy, and probably wrong about nearly everything.

As Robotech goes on, music is dropped entirely as a major part of the story, except for the occasional shout out to the Robotech version of Minmay’s songs. From what I’ve learned about the comics and novels, so far it’s made me believe that her treatment after the TV series is a total disservice to everything she represents in Macross.

As for the novels, the series stopped being Macross-like and more like Star Trek, Babylon 5, and even Dune put together. It’s even more so with the Shadow Chronicles ending up very cliche and mecha underutilized.

What makes it depressing is that this is available everywhere and was made between the time Macross Zero and Frontier came out.

But I guess I’m just too much of a positivist/optimist/rose-colored-glasses person to really “get” the need to complain

Funny because I was about to accuse you of being a pessimist. I feel like I’ve made a pretty decent effort to show what side of the fence I stand on (yakkdeculture.com, anybody? Anybody?).

Yet there’s a guy — not a troll, in fact someone I actually like (inasmuch as I know him), despite his contrarian tendencies — standing presumably on the same side of the fence, telling me that I shouldn’t criticize the things I like. I hope somewhere in that statement I’m actually wrong.

ghosty:
Just when I was thinking “what this thread needs is some ghostlightning,” along you come. Do you ever sleep?

If I had to sum my whole position up, I would put it like this:

As with the people and things we love in real life, the ability to not just look past but actually embrace their flaws strengthens our love.
-otou-san

Do I get Remembering Love points for that?

As for Stevie, I’ve got so much endless love for that guy it takes barely any effort at all. Bless his old-ass heart, he’s still got his talent but who can blame someone as famous and old (for that business) as him for being a little out of touch? Plus, it’s not like he can see what he looks like standing there with them