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		<title>By: Shameful Otaku Secret! &#187; What&#8217;s on: ef edition</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2008/09/02/preparing-for-more-effing-ef/comment-page-1/#comment-2365</link>
		<dc:creator>Shameful Otaku Secret! &#187; What&#8217;s on: ef edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by on whack-tastic visual effects alone; there was a gripping story there. The Anno-esque (thanks Martin) phone card scene would not have worked without a character like Miyako there to support it. Now [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by on whack-tastic visual effects alone; there was a gripping story there. The Anno-esque (thanks Martin) phone card scene would not have worked without a character like Miyako there to support it. Now [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2008/09/02/preparing-for-more-effing-ef/comment-page-1/#comment-1929</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: For all the love the phone card scene gets (epic), My favorite scene in the whole thing is the 1000(or so) message scene. I&#039;ve always been a fan of the extended stills and the characters (kanji?) piling up is so perfect for capturing her situation; just an amazing scene. It reminds me of Kaworu&#039;s death scene from NGE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: For all the love the phone card scene gets (epic), My favorite scene in the whole thing is the 1000(or so) message scene. I&#8217;ve always been a fan of the extended stills and the characters (kanji?) piling up is so perfect for capturing her situation; just an amazing scene. It reminds me of Kaworu&#8217;s death scene from NGE.</p>
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		<title>By: gerjomarty</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2008/09/02/preparing-for-more-effing-ef/comment-page-1/#comment-1500</link>
		<dc:creator>gerjomarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend introduced me to ef by saying it had a terrible story, but was so pretty it could be forgiven. After watching it, I have to say I kind of see where he comes from. I wouldn&#039;t call it revolutionary - when you boil it down it&#039;s just a memory loss plotline (not the first time that&#039;s been done) and a love triangle (&lt;em&gt;certainly&lt;/em&gt; not the first time that&#039;s been done either).

Not even regarding the style, the plot is still executed very well. For a visual novel adaption, this alrealy elevates its status. Throw in the animation, style and panache it has, and it makes it a very, very good show indeed. Like you said, it doesn&#039;t muck about with issues that other shows of this type think are serious business, which makes it much more realistic. It really ramps up the drama when it wants to as well.

I don&#039;t care how many times it&#039;s been mentioned - my heart was in my mouth for that phone box scene. The music, the words, just everything about it was pure class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend introduced me to ef by saying it had a terrible story, but was so pretty it could be forgiven. After watching it, I have to say I kind of see where he comes from. I wouldn&#8217;t call it revolutionary &#8211; when you boil it down it&#8217;s just a memory loss plotline (not the first time that&#8217;s been done) and a love triangle (<em>certainly</em> not the first time that&#8217;s been done either).</p>
<p>Not even regarding the style, the plot is still executed very well. For a visual novel adaption, this alrealy elevates its status. Throw in the animation, style and panache it has, and it makes it a very, very good show indeed. Like you said, it doesn&#8217;t muck about with issues that other shows of this type think are serious business, which makes it much more realistic. It really ramps up the drama when it wants to as well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care how many times it&#8217;s been mentioned &#8211; my heart was in my mouth for that phone box scene. The music, the words, just everything about it was pure class.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2008/09/02/preparing-for-more-effing-ef/comment-page-1/#comment-1459</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ted - &lt;/strong&gt;It&#039;s funny that realism in the characters is such a strong suit of the series when another strength is that it has such an overall fantasy feel to it. I agree that it probably isn&#039;t anime canon or whatever, but it comes closer than most of the genre.

&lt;strong&gt;Martin - &lt;/strong&gt;I&#039;ve never seen anything described as Anno-esque, but I suppose it&#039;s apt. Although anything &lt;em&gt;truly&lt;/em&gt; Anno-esque would have to demonstrate just a little contempt for humanity (and the viewer...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Ted &#8211; </strong>It&#8217;s funny that realism in the characters is such a strong suit of the series when another strength is that it has such an overall fantasy feel to it. I agree that it probably isn&#8217;t anime canon or whatever, but it comes closer than most of the genre.</p>
<p><strong>Martin &#8211; </strong>I&#8217;ve never seen anything described as Anno-esque, but I suppose it&#8217;s apt. Although anything <em>truly</em> Anno-esque would have to demonstrate just a little contempt for humanity (and the viewer&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2008/09/02/preparing-for-more-effing-ef/comment-page-1/#comment-1404</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.

I think pretty much the same thing as you do on the first ef series (although I&#039;m one of those people who probably read too much into it!) - as Ted said here, the storytelling is so well done that originality isn&#039;t an issue.

I suppose the art style really helped gain it some of the attention it got from the viewers but as much as this in turns baffled and amazed me, it was a good old fashioned romance story about characters I could care about.

It&#039;s been said many times already but that phone scene was absolutely superb. Anno-esque, almost. ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.</p>
<p>I think pretty much the same thing as you do on the first ef series (although I&#8217;m one of those people who probably read too much into it!) &#8211; as Ted said here, the storytelling is so well done that originality isn&#8217;t an issue.</p>
<p>I suppose the art style really helped gain it some of the attention it got from the viewers but as much as this in turns baffled and amazed me, it was a good old fashioned romance story about characters I could care about.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been said many times already but that phone scene was absolutely superb. Anno-esque, almost. ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Baka-Raptor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baka-Raptor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Phone Card Scene was indeed one of the most harrowing and nail-biting bits of (melo)dramatic anime ever made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phone Card Scene was indeed one of the most harrowing and nail-biting bits of (melo)dramatic anime ever made.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ef&lt;/em&gt; is pretty damn good. The ending was like vomiting candy onto a pile of corpses and being like: &quot;Look, candy!&quot; But in any case, it was amazing. I honestly didn&#039;t find any cliches in this anime. I mean, it&#039;s all been done before, love triangle (see: every show?), memory loss (see: 50 First Dates), but in &lt;em&gt;ef&lt;/em&gt;, I felt like it was all knew because the characters were so well done. It&#039;s not even that they were that complex (read: had-fifty-billion-complexes-and-also-were-robots-yes-I-am-looking-you-&lt;em&gt;Eva&lt;/em&gt;) but their sort of simple issues -- insecurity, abandoment, writers block -- made them more real. 

That&#039;s just about the love triangle though.

In the memory loss story... Holy God. Those were some of the best characters I&#039;ve ever, ever seen. On par with Eva, definitely (not in terms of the show, just as far as the characters go). 

That being said, it&#039;s not like, anime canon or anything. It&#039;s not seminal or revolutionary, although its direction is pretty orgasmic. It&#039;s just an arty, metaphor-laden drama. One of the best dramas I&#039;ve seen in the medium. Watch it. It&#039;s good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>ef</em> is pretty damn good. The ending was like vomiting candy onto a pile of corpses and being like: &#8220;Look, candy!&#8221; But in any case, it was amazing. I honestly didn&#8217;t find any cliches in this anime. I mean, it&#8217;s all been done before, love triangle (see: every show?), memory loss (see: 50 First Dates), but in <em>ef</em>, I felt like it was all knew because the characters were so well done. It&#8217;s not even that they were that complex (read: had-fifty-billion-complexes-and-also-were-robots-yes-I-am-looking-you-<em>Eva</em>) but their sort of simple issues &#8212; insecurity, abandoment, writers block &#8212; made them more real. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just about the love triangle though.</p>
<p>In the memory loss story&#8230; Holy God. Those were some of the best characters I&#8217;ve ever, ever seen. On par with Eva, definitely (not in terms of the show, just as far as the characters go). </p>
<p>That being said, it&#8217;s not like, anime canon or anything. It&#8217;s not seminal or revolutionary, although its direction is pretty orgasmic. It&#8217;s just an arty, metaphor-laden drama. One of the best dramas I&#8217;ve seen in the medium. Watch it. It&#8217;s good.</p>
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		<title>By: otou-san</title>
		<link>http://www.shamefulotakusecret.com/2008/09/02/preparing-for-more-effing-ef/comment-page-1/#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator>otou-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You give me too much credit for witty puns. Sadly, I&#039;m not that funny. I just meant that if &lt;em&gt;ef&lt;/em&gt; were a human instead of an anime, there are fans out there who would gladly give it a tug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You give me too much credit for witty puns. Sadly, I&#8217;m not that funny. I just meant that if <em>ef</em> were a human instead of an anime, there are fans out there who would gladly give it a tug.</p>
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		<title>By: Author</title>
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		<dc:creator>Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t get the joke. I &lt;em&gt;suspected&lt;/em&gt; you were trying to make a pun on &lt;em&gt;ef&lt;/em&gt; being &lt;em&gt;touching&lt;/em&gt;, but in that case it was giving the viewer a handjob, not vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t get the joke. I <em>suspected</em> you were trying to make a pun on <em>ef</em> being <em>touching</em>, but in that case it was giving the viewer a handjob, not vice versa.</p>
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